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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby ScottMorrison on 29 Oct 2008, 12:41

cliftwood wrote:Scott..

I confess to being involved on the CMG with trying to cope with those loonies from the other side of the political spectrum but have decided to back off of the subject. Why can't I get it in my head once and for all that people's ideas on religion and politics are deeply imbedded and attempting to change that is a futile exercise??

Meanwhile, Mogs and I will spend the better part of next Tuesday driving elderly folks to the voting place so that they can do their civic duty.

I hope they pull the right lever.This nation needs to change direction after a brutul eight years.


I'll share a note we got from a cousin of my wife. He's in the Deep South, working his heart out for Obama, canvassing prospective voters. And he wrote this about his experience:

> A personal experience illustrates how much fun you can have. We knocked on a
> door which was answered by a stout, elderly, dignified woman. She would like to
> vote but needed a ride. I called Obama headquarters to arrange a ride for her,
> and learned that she would have to wait a while. By the time I had completed
> the telephone call, she had her hat on her head, her purse in one hand, and her
> cane in the other. She was raring to go—right now.
>
> I stopped canvassing and drove her to a polling place. I wasn’t taking any
> chances, it might have been the vote that wins it for our state. During the
> drive I tried to chat to relax her, but she wasn’t interested, she was just
> staring straight ahead—she was a woman on a mission.
>
> I was alarmed when she returned from the polls in less than ten minutes, fearing
> that somehow she had not been allowed to vote. But she had a smile on her face
> from ear to ear. She raised both hands, her purse, and her cane to the sky. “I
> voted,” she exclaimed to everyone in earshot. “I voted for Obama.” During the
> ride home she couldn’t stop talking. We’re buddies now, and we share the same
> goals for our country’s future.
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby mogliettina on 29 Oct 2008, 12:58

Scott:
What a heartwarming story.
Here's one of mine that's not quite so heartwarming.
Many years ago I decided to throw away my non-political stance and work "against" Richard Nixon by helping out a very weak McGovern but infinitely more attractive to me as a candidate. They gave me a list of numbers in a Jewish neighborhood and all that I had to do was to tell the persons to make sure to get out their vote for McGovern on Tuesday -- no big deal, right? Wrong!
I finally call one number and a strong voiced woman answers the phone. I said, "Is Mrs. Goldberg there?"
"Who is calling please?"
"This is Mrs. Herman."
"Well, Mrs. Herman, Mrs. Goldberg is diseased."
Picturing that poor lady with pimples or pockmarked skin or whatever, I said politely, "Well just tell her when she's feeling better to get her vote out for McGovern on Tuesday."
She replies, "Are you being facetious?"
Stunned I replied, "No, why?"
Shouting at the top of her lungs she said, "DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID? I SAID MRS GOLDBERG IS DISEASED!!!"
Diseased? Diseased? DECEASED!!!!!!!!!!!
Meekly, I replied like Emily Litella. "Never mind." :cry:
(Last time I ever volunteeered for any President.) :shock:

Bravo ACD. Somehow I just knew, down in the depths of my being, you were hiding a Democratic heart. ;) 8-)
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby A.C. Douglas on 29 Oct 2008, 13:13

mogliettina wrote:Bravo ACD. Somehow I just knew, down in the depths of my being, you were hiding a Democratic heart. ;) 8-)

I got your wink, but, still, sorry to disappoint, but neither a Democrat nor a Republican (and neither a Liberal nor a Conservative -- or, rather, both, coming down closer to one side or the other depending on the issue), and absent any party affiliation or partisan ideology.

Just for the record. 8-)

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby mogliettina on 29 Oct 2008, 13:21

Yah! I actually knew that too. I almost added a 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ... to see how long it would take for you to respond in the negative.
But there are some things about ourselves that others know more about than even we ourselves do!! :lol:
1 ... 2... 3... 4...
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby kashania on 29 Oct 2008, 13:25

cliftwood wrote:Meanwhile, Mogs and I will spend the better part of next Tuesday driving elderly folks to the voting place so that they can do their civic duty.


Of course, if they're Republican, you can fake car trouble, right? :D
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby A.C. Douglas on 29 Oct 2008, 14:28

mogliettina wrote:But there are some things about ourselves that others know more about than even we ourselves do!! :lol:
1 ... 2... 3... 4...

(Not to disappoint...)

Not in my case.

Trust me.

:twisted:

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby fradale1 on 29 Oct 2008, 14:33

As I suspected, no one could name one accomplishment that Barack Obama can claim to deserve consideration for president. Not surprising given that he was a lackluster state senator and only served a couple of years in the U.S. Senate before deciding to run for president.

That so many are eager to vote for someone whose primary qualification is rhetoric, but otherwise has no demonstrable experience to lead the United States does not fill me with confidence.

In any event, I do believe that the USA is a strong enough of a country to survive even an Obama presidency. After all, we rebounded after Jimmy Carter. But who knows, I have this vision of McCain holding up the New York Times announcing Obama's victory - with a huge grin on his face..
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby karlhenning on 29 Oct 2008, 15:01

fradale1 wrote:. . . I have this vision of McCain holding up the New York Times announcing Obama's victory - with a huge grin on his face..

As if that is going to happen, after The Year of the Dangling Chad.

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby A.C. Douglas on 29 Oct 2008, 15:22

fradale1 wrote:I have this vision of McCain holding up the New York Times announcing Obama's victory - with a huge grin on his face..

In your dreams, son.

While it's an absolute truism that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public, in this case, just the very idea of another Republican in the White House, let alone a Republican like McCain, is a horror that will shock even that public into acting with some semblance of intelligence, which will, of course, lead ineluctably to a landslide Obama victory that will almost certainly shatter all standing records of presidential winning margins since the founding of the republic.

Trust me.

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby mogliettina on 29 Oct 2008, 15:52

Fradale wrote:
As I suspected, no one could name one accomplishment that Barack Obama can claim to deserve consideration for president.


But you never answered my question either. At least others answered for me.
I'm waiting....
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby kashania on 29 Oct 2008, 15:55

fradale1 wrote:In any event, I do believe that the USA is a strong enough of a country to survive even an Obama presidency. After all, we rebounded after Jimmy Carter. But who knows, I have this vision of McCain holding up the New York Times announcing Obama's victory - with a huge grin on his face..


If the USA was strong enough to survive the last eight years, then yes, you're right.

I don't get the McCain NYT reference. Do you suggest that McCAin will be pleased by the Obama victory because of the presumed damage he's going to do as president? Or are you referring to a mis-printed headline?
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby cliftwood on 29 Oct 2008, 15:56

fradale1 wrote:As I suspected, no one could name one accomplishment that Barack Obama can claim to deserve consideration for president. Not surprising given that he was a lackluster state senator and only served a couple of years in the U.S. Senate before deciding to run for president.

That so many are eager to vote for someone whose primary qualification is rhetoric, but otherwise has no demonstrable experience to lead the United States does not fill me with confidence.

In any event, I do believe that the USA is a strong enough of a country to survive even an Obama presidency. After all, we rebounded after Jimmy Carter. But who knows, I have this vision of McCain holding up the New York Times announcing Obama's victory - with a huge grin on his face..


If for no other reason to qualify him, Obama is an honor graduate of Harvard and McCain was fourth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis, a clear indication of a very bright man vs. a very ordinary man. Add to this McCain's astounding selection of a frightening, inept and utterly unqualified candidate for his potential successor should be sufficient information to help you make a choice to lead this country . :roll:
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby kashania on 29 Oct 2008, 16:06

cliftwood wrote:If for no other reason to qualify him, Obama is an honor graduate of Harvard and McCain was fourth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis, a clear indication of a very bright man vs. a very ordinary man. Add to this McCain's astounding selection of a frightening, inept and utterly unqualified candidate for his potential successor should be sufficient information to help you make a choice to lead this country . :roll:


That is oh so elitist of you, Harris. Don't you realise that Americans don't want an accomplished Harvard graduate as president? They want Joe the f&%#g Plummer.
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby A.C. Douglas on 29 Oct 2008, 17:13

kashania wrote:I don't get the McCain NYT reference. Do you suggest that McCAin will be pleased by the Obama victory because of the presumed damage he's going to do as president? Or are you referring to a mis-printed headline?

Neither. The reference is to the famous picture of Harry Truman holding up a premature "Dewey Defeats Truman" Chicago Daily Tribune headline after Truman, the huge underdog, won the 1948 presidential election by a landslide vote.

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby calvert on 29 Oct 2008, 17:32

kashania wrote:That is oh so elitist of you, Harris. Don't you realise that Americans don't want an accomplished Harvard graduate as president? They want Joe the f&%#g Plummer.


Myself, I agree with the late, great William F. Buckley when he said that he would rather be governed by the first 50 names in the Boston phone directory than by the entire faculty of Harvard University.

As someone mentioned earlier, our country has been through all kinds of Presidents, great, good, mediocre, and terrible, so we will certainly survive an Obama administration if, as presently appears likely, he is elected. I rank Bush somewhere between "mediocre" and "terrible" on most issues, the exceptions being his superb Supreme Court nominees (although he almost screwed the pooch with Harriet Miers), his tax cuts for The Rich (boooooo! hisssss!), and the undeniable fact that there has not been a single terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11, which has not simply been the result of good luck. Otherwise, I tend to agree with one well-known (and, on the Left, widely hated) conservative commentator who said, "Bush has united the country beyond anyone's greatest expectations: Left or Right, we're all just waiting for the Dufus to be gone."

Fortunately, my happiness, my outlook on life, my peace of mind, and my personal well-being do not depend on who is occupying the Oval Office. So if Obama wins, I figure that at least that a lot of people will get some pent-up bile out of their system. It is unhealthy.
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby kashania on 29 Oct 2008, 17:47

ACD: Ach so! Danke.

Cal: Boo! Hiss! 8-)
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby kashania on 29 Oct 2008, 17:51

calvert wrote:
kashania wrote:That is oh so elitist of you, Harris. Don't you realise that Americans don't want an accomplished Harvard graduate as president? They want Joe the f&%#g Plummer.


Myself, I agree with the late, great William F. Buckley when he said that he would rather be governed by the first 50 names in the Boston phone directory than by the entire faculty of Harvard University.


I don't want to suggest that a degree from an ivy-league school is necessary to be president - not in the slightest. But I am offended by the notion that so many politicians espouse -- that the President should be "like one of us". There's nothing wrong with the President being better than us. That's why he's president, fery crying out loud! And based on your previous comments about elitism in arts/society, I would hazard a guess that you probably agree with me.
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby karlhenning on 29 Oct 2008, 19:21

calvert wrote:Myself, I agree with the late, great William F. Buckley when he said that he would rather be governed by the first 50 names in the Boston phone directory than by the entire faculty of Harvard University.

Well, but the Boston phone directory has changed since then.

So has Harvard, I suppose.

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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby lulu on 29 Oct 2008, 21:02

Wonder how much money the Bushies had to bribe Yale to graduate Bush. He can't speak English. Despite his wealthy pedigree, he sounds like Joe the Plumber. Whoops, Joe the Plumber speaks better English than Bush.

I do want someone who can at least speak the English language properly. Who can read. Those two should be basic requirements.

Oh, yes, and understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I think the Oath of office requires the President to honor the Constitution, something that got past Bush. I guess he honored the Constitution by trashing it cause we don't have much left of it.
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Re: Current Discussion (Off-Topic Chatter)

Postby calvert on 29 Oct 2008, 21:03

kashania wrote:I don't want to suggest that a degree from an ivy-league school is necessary to be president - not in the slightest. But I am offended by the notion that so many politicians espouse -- that the President should be "like one of us". There's nothing wrong with the President being better than us. That's why he's president, fery crying out loud! And based on your previous comments about elitism in arts/society, I would hazard a guess that you probably agree with me.


What I think is meant by "just like one of us" is a candidate that people feel comfortable with and that they think shares their values. I would agree that I don't want my President picked off of a park bench and that I want him to reflect "the best" and to be a man of demonstrated accomplishment that qualifies him for the highest office in the land. Much more important, IMO, than a candidate's standing in his college class or where he went to college, is a demonstrated capacity to govern. In other words, he or she has to have proven ability to run things and to command effectively. This is why far more Governors than Senators have been elected as President.

Many liberals (and a some conservatives, but far fewer) confuse intellectuality with intelligence and the capacity to govern effectively. Another term one frequently hears is "intellectual curiosity," a rather nebulous quality that some presidents (invariably Republican) are accused of lacking. Of course, the question arises, "curious about what?" In reality, the term is just shorthand for, "Doesn't have a liberal world-view." And historically, intellectuals have not generally made effective presidents, simply because they tend to suffer from "paralysis of analysis." Carter and Clinton are prime examples.

I think clear vision and a high degree of executive ability are the most important qualifications for an effective President, much more so than the ability to converse fluently at an Ivy League banquet. Someone once asked Bush Sr. what was the most imporant quality in a President, and he replied, "Excellence of aim." I think that says it pretty well.
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